Jeeps in Pakistan

by Khalid Omar

In Pakistan, there is a limited choice when it comes to choosing a 4×4 vehicle. The major types are listed below, with a short description and rating for each vehicle. With the older 4×4's, their offroad prowess depends mainly on their owners, while with the newer 4×4's, it's mostly up to the vehicle as it cannot be modified much. With these old jeeps, its the driver that's the most important part of the drivetrain, which is what makes them so much fun off the road.

The following jeeps are rated according to Pakistani terrain, where we hardly ever see any mud. We've got rocks, more rocks, even bigger rocks, and lots of fine sand! Most of the local jeeps would do terribly in deep mud, so luckily there isn't any! 4×4 lowrange can compensate for lack of power in any terrain, but with mud you need raw power coupled with fast throttle response.

M38

The M38 is better known as the "Willys Jeep" in Pakistan. The Pakistan Army had a large number of these vehicles, which they have been slowly removing from service and selling over the years. There are now a large number available, but because of their age, almost all are in bad shape. A Willys Jeep in original condition has been a collector's item in the West for the last 30 years, and now in Pakistan it is slowly becoming one. There are mechanics and workshops who restore Willys, and a large number have been taken abroad by foreigners. The Smithsonian Museum, and the New York Museum of Arts both contain M38's restored by Daud, whose workshop is in Lyari, Karachi. The Willy's Jeep saw action in the Korean and Vietnam wars. (along with many others).

Offroading Capability: 10 out of 10
Petersen's 4×4 Magazine, which is one of the oldest and most reputable 4×4 magazines, in their 50th year anniversary had a listing of the best 4×4 they had come across in 50 years. Most of the list had million dollar custom made machines made for rallies and competitions. The number one 4×4 was the Willy's Jeep. Unfortunately, this issue is not available online, but I do have a copy of it which I'll scan and put online in the future. The only other stock 4×4 in the list was the Dodge Powerwagon. Surprisingly, the Land Rover did not make it. The Unimog was also left out as in the US there are hardly any available to the public. The general consensus was that while modern 4×4's are on paper superior, they lack that certain something which flat fenders have.

Ford GPW and Willys MA/MB

The Willys MB was the design approved by the US Army during World War II. Ford was also awarded the contract as Willy's didn't have the production capacity for the entire US army order. Both Ford and Willy's produced close to 650,000 jeeps from 1941-1945. The only major differences between the two are the grill, and the front chassis cross-member. The Willys chassis front cross-member is tubular, whereas the Ford cross-member is an inverted U section. All parts are interchangeable. The Jeep MB is considered an International Historic Mechanical Engineering Landmark, and changed the way the world looked at and used automobiles. There are more stories about this particular model (the Ford/Willys) than any other automobile.

There seems to be quite a number of both these Jeeps in Pakistan. Again, like the M38, most are in very bad shape.

Offroading Capability: 10 out of 10
Same as those noted for the M38. See the following quote:

It would "go places where tankers quit and birds would go back exhausted."
>> The Jeep, a Real American Hero

CJ-7 & CJ-5

The CJ-7 was produced 1976-1986. The CJ-7 was the successor to the CJ-5. It was made larger for better stability and speed to suit the American highway, and is the last true Jeep. It has a huge cult-like following in America. It's vastly customizable, and people have put in everything from puny CNG motors to massive V-10s.

In the Northern areas, CJ-5's and CJ-7's are extended and used as public transport, similar to the Jeepney in the Philippines. Jeep would be horrified, but it is a testament to their build quality that these Jeeps survive such hard use for which they were never intended.

Offroading Capability: 8.5 out of 10
While the stock CJ-7 has a lower offroading capability as compared to the military models preceding it, it can be easily customized and altered. In America, a number have been upgraded and altered to such an extent that compared to a normal CJ-7 it's like comparing a Formula One race car to a Suzuki Alto. The point is that the offroading capability depends mostly on the driver and how well the vehicle has been maintained. A well kept CJ-7 is easily as comfortable as a modern SUV, and many times better offroad.

M170

Better known as the ambulance Jeep, it is based on the tried and tested M38-A1. The M170 (MDA) is basically a stretched M38A1. According to which estimate one goes with, anywhere between 2500 to 5000 were produced between the mid-1950s and the early 1960s, which makes it one of the rarest production jeeps. Since it had to transport the sick and wounded, the wheel base was lengthened to accommodate stretchers, front and rear anti-roll bars were added, and the rear leaf springs were stretched. These attributes result in the most comfortable ride of all the military Jeeps, even better than most SUV's. The Pakistan Army had a total of 200 M170's which are gradually being phased out and replaced with Toyota Landcruisers and Land Rover Defender 110's.

Offroading Capability: 8.5 out of 10
Like all the other military Jeep's, it's extremely capable offroad, but the long wheelbase can cause ground clearance issues at sharp breakover angles.

M151-A1/A2

Best known as the "Mutt" in US jeeping circles, but better known locally as the Jeep Commando, this jeep has independent suspension with coil spings at all 4 corners, giving it a very comfortable ride. There do not seem to be a large number of these in Pakistan. The Army still uses them, and is phasing them out.

In Pakistan, there are very few M151s, mainly because the army never bought them in the same quantities as earlier jeeps. The independent suspension is also somewhat of a mystery to local mechanics, who prefer hardier and more conventional leaf spring setups. Until recently finding a lightweight replacement diesel for the original petrol engine was the biggest hurdle in converting one of these vehicles for daily use. However, availability of the Toyota 3C-T should change that. The unibody construction is also somewhat less tougher than than the other jeeps. Most local jeeps here are abused well beyond what even the US military would use them, and for these purposes a separate ladder type chassis coupled with a leaf spring suspension is the most reliable, and even more important here, the easiest to repair.

The independent rear suspension configuration of the M151-A1 models allowed excessive body roll, causing the wheels to practically fold up under the vehicle under sharp cornering, sending the vehicle into a violent roll. It is a well documented fact that this vehicle caused more GI deaths in accidents than in wartime operations in Korea. The M151-A2 switched to a trailing arm setup which is a lot more stable, and it was produced by Ford and Jeep from 1970 till the introduction of the Hummer in 1982. However, so eager was the NHTSA to remove this rolling deathtrap from American roads, that they had the US military cut the suspension out of each and every one before decommissioning them! Luckily, M151s exported to other militaries around the world survived the barbarism. They are extremely rare in Pakistan - we have seen hardly 5 or 6 of them so far.

Offroading Capability: 7.5 out of 10
Coil springs make the M151 easy and comfortable to drive on our torn up streets and highways, but design flaws in the suspension also make it the Jeep most likely to roll over, especially during abrupt emergency manoeuvres. In capable hands though, it can be a terrific performer. One of our members has an M151, and a few years back in a jeep rally it came first, beating V8 powered Land Cruisers, Nissan Patrols, CJ's, a Hummer and a whole lot of other SUVs and jeeps!

Land Cruiser BJ-40

While the BJ-40 may seem like a CJ-7 clone to many people, it is the result of Toyota's foray into the booming post-WW2 4×4 market. Toyota had a working prototype of the BJ-40 by the late 50s, and offered it to the public in the early 60s, preceding Jeep's CJ-7 by at least a decade. There is a large number of these vehicles in Pakistan, both in the military and in private ownership.

Offroading Capability: 8 out of 10
Since Toyota originally intended the BJ-40 to be a 1/2 ton truck, it really is over engineered and pretty much unbreakable as a result. Its brakes are also by far the best of any old school 4×4. The only weakness to worry about are the Birfield joints in the front axle. These tend to break when oversized tires and modified engines are used. Overall this is an excellent, if slightly pricey, all round 4×4, comfortable and spacious with excellent on-road and off-road manners.

Toyota Land Cruiser (60,80, and 100 series)

The Land Cruiser has become a living legend in the 4×4 world. From braving bitter cold and treacherous crevasses over the glaciers of Iceland, to the scorching heat of the desolate Australian Outback, this vehicle has been through it all. Choice of 4.5L petrol I-6, 4.7L petrol V8, or 24 valve 4.2 litre turbo diesel make it by far the most powerful SUV available here. However, considering its ridiculous price, it is out of reach for most (read: nearly all) people, and used strictly for travel on paved roads by those lucky enough to have one. It is popular with the Arabs, who use the gasoline powered models for chasing prey, and dune & wadi-bashing. The newer models insulate the occupants from much of what is really going on outside, which subtracts from the driving experience.

Offroading Capability: 7 out of 10
Its long wheelbase coupled with the wide track and broad tires makes it very easy to drive on and offroad. Locking differentials are also available as a factory option. Unfortunately, the newer models are straying further and further away from their 4×4 roots, most of them being equipped with street tires that can't even handle a little sand. Nonetheless, the tremendously powerful engine and nearly indestructible drivetrain work together to make even the most hamfisted buffoon driver look like Ivan "Ironman" Stewart.

Nissan Patrol

Although the Patrol is in the same class as the Land Cruiser, it is not as expensive. Furthermore, the Arabs swear by its superb offroadability. One of our own members can testify to the excellent offroad composure and handling of this awesome vehicle over the roughest terrain. Literally feet of suspension travel allow it to soak up bumps and obstacles that would stop other vehicles dead in their tracks. This one eclipses even the mighty 'Cruiser when it comes to high-speed desert running!

Offroading Capability: 7 out of 10
While excellent suspension helps the Patrol put every ounce of power to the ground, its naturally aspirated diesel engine just doesn't have the kind of power that the Land Cruiser makes. This one's a real heavyweight too, and like the Landcruiser is moving away from its offroad roots..

Toyota Hilux and Surf

The leafspring suspension on earlier models makes for a terrible ride unloaded, but otherwise the Hilux and Surf are very capable offroad. As with all modern SUVs, the newer models are designed more for onroad than offroad use. The new double cabin Hilux is priced at Rs. 2.6 million (about 45 thousand dollars), so it too has moved too far up the price ladder for serious offroading, which is a shame considering the state of the art 3.0L common rail turbodiesel it packs under the hood. Older 90's models remain very popular and are widely seen in every corner of the country. Parts for the Hilux are available everywhere in the country.

Offroading Capability: 7.5 out of 10 for older solid live front axle versions, 7 for independent front suspension versions. 2003 and newer models get a 6 out of 10. The late eighties and early 90's Hiluxes are Toyota's toughest and most reliable 4×4.

Dodge Powerwagon aka. Kaykra

Kaykra is urdu for crab. Like a crab, it can climb over or go through almost anything. The Kaykra is a Dodge Powerwagon 2 ton truck. The Pakistan army still uses them, and there is a small number used as commercial trucks in rough terrain. The Dodge Powerwagon has true 6 wheel drive. The 4×4 Club has not not yet spotted a single one in half way decent shape. The Dodge Powerwagon is called the Kaykra in Pakistan because its headlights are on its fenders, hence giving it a crab-like appearance.

Offroading Capability: 6.5 out of 10
Six wheel drive makes it virtually unstoppable! However, its massive size makes it impractical and unwieldy.

Mercedes Unimog

Universally acclaimed as the go-anywhere truck, the Unimog is still in active service in the Pakistan army. Every few years, a few of them find their way into private ownership through army auctions, eagerly lapped up by collectors and diehard 'mog fans. The extremely tall tires, high ground clearance, and insanely low gearing make it virtually unstoppable. Unfortunately, there are hardly any available for sale in Pakistan, and the stock engine is underpowered. There are almost none in civilian hands in decent shape. Again, the 4×4 Club has not not yet spotted a single one in half way decent shape. There is one in Islamabad though.

Offroading Capability: 9 out of 10
The stock Unimog has 20 forward and 8 reverse gears, so that means there's always the perfect gear available for any power/speed requirement. The lowest gear ratio is a subterranean 1:4096! Basically that means you have to look for a while to see whether it's moving or not. Besides that, rim drive axles locate the center differential within the recesses of the frame far above the ground, which gives it great ground clearance. It's a bit slow, but is the most hardcore true 4×4 in Pakistan.

Mitsubushi Pajero

There are a large number of Pajeros in Pakistan, mostly on the road, which is where they belong.

Offroading Capability: 2 out of 10
Some people seem to be under the misconception that the Pajero is a capable 4×4 vehicle. They should be aware that the only relation a Pajero has with the one running the Paris-Dakkar rally is the name. The 1970's Toyota Starlet has more offroad capability. And yes, the author has bested a Pajero with the Starlet.

Deewan motors has started importing the new Pajero, which according to Mitsubushi is based on the "lessons learned" from the multi-million dollar machine which consistently wins the Paris-Dakkar rally, and others. So it probably deserves a higher rating, but the overall club impression of this car is so bad that 2 it remains.

Suzuki SJ 410/Samurai

This is an extremely capable offroader. However, it has the worst ride of any 4 wheeled vehicle ever made. Donkey carts have a better ride. Driving it on the highway is plain torture, for on every bump it bucks like a bronco. On bad roads where heavier vehicles can speed on, the Suzuki gets airborne on every bump and comes down with a bone jarring crash. Not recommended for people with bad backs anybody. Otherwise an excellent machine which can take as much a beating as it hands out to its occupants.

Offroading Capability: 8 out of 10
The 1 and 1.3 litre petrol engines are zippy, but underpowered in sand. Requires excessive use of the clutch.

Suzuki Jimny

This is the succesor to the Samurai, and remains an extremely capable offroader. It switches from leafsprings to coil springs, thus giving a decent ride. The engine is a peppy 1.3 aluminium EFI and has more 'go'. This is the perfect first entry into 4wheeling - highly recommended to all and sundry. Whenever anyone asks me what Jeep they should get, I point them to the Jimny. Suzuki is officially importing the Jimny, so all spare parts are readily available.

Offroading Capability: 7 out of 10 for the auto, 8/10 for the manual.
The Jimny has all the essentials: A ladder frame, low range transfer case and solid axles. Off-road, the Jimny holds its own against far more expensive rivals.

Jeep Cherokee

The Jeep Cherokee has been rated the best 4 wheeler of the year more than 6 times in the last decade. In the mid 90's, 50 odd right hand drive Jeep Cherokee Country's were imported into the country. The local dealer has since than packed up, so there are not many on the roads. This Jeep is classified as a mid size SUV, and is widely considered the best in its class. Beginning 2002, Jeep replaced the Cherokee brand with the Liberty. The Cherokee is now destined to become a classic like so many others before it.

Offroading Capability: 7 out of 10
Small exterior dimensions, ample ground clearance and minimal front and rear overhang make the Jeep Cherokee a joy to drive offroad. The I-6 4.0L petrol engine is one of the best mills to find its way into a jeep and makes for an awesome power-to-weight ratio.

Land Rover Defender

There are a few old Land Rovers in Pakistan, but the ones I've seen or heard of have all been in terrible shape. I haven't seen or even heard of one been used offroad. Evidently, Land Rovers just aren't very popular here. That might be changing soon though. The Pakistan Army had received 5000 Defenders by the end of 2003, and there are rumors that they are going to be replacing all their older Toyota Landcuisers with Defenders. That fact says a lot about the capabilities of the Land Rover. Sigma Motors is selling Defender 90s and 110s in the Rs 2.2 - 3.2 million price range.

One major drawback about the Land Rover is that they fall apart very quickly (at least in Pakistan). There were several Discoveries over here in the 1990s, and they have just about disappeared off the roads. The few that remain in running condition are noisy, smoke belching rustbuckets in far worse condition than many comparable vehicles several times their age. 90 percent of the Land Rovers I've seen in Pakistan have been moving corpses just waiting to be buried. (excluding the brand new Sigma Motors ones). It's a testament to the quality of Jeep and Toyota that they can survive Pakistani maintanence and still keep on ticking. No matter how old and roughly used the Jeep or Toyota, they remain capable offroad vehicles, while old Land Rovers just keel over and die. Land Rover claims that 70 percent of all Defenders ever made are still running, so it's a bit strange why they don't last here. A British telecoms engineer who worked in the bush in Africa for many years told me that everyone there preferred Toyota Land Cruisers and Hiluxes, and while his company did have Land Rovers, everyone used the Toyotas. Furthermore, they would scrap the British cars at 60,000 km and the Toyotas after 100,000 km.

I test drove two brand new Defenders - I was only going to test one but the first one was so bad that I thought there was something wrong with it so went back and got another one out to test that - it was the same. After years of watching them on National Geogeraphic thundering across the African desert I had a lot of respect for them - but no more. It is underpowered, expensive and tiring to drive.

Offroading Capability: ??
Land Rovers are were the most used 4×4 vehicles in the world, so obviously they are quite capable. A colonel in the Pakistan army told me that the 4.5 litre petrol engined Land Cruiser II the Land Rover is replacing is more capable offroad, probably because the largest and only available engine in the Land Rover is a direct injection 2.8L intercooled turbodiesel.

Adam Zabardast Jeep

This is available now in Pakistan by the name of Adam Zabardast Jeep.

My initial test drive of the Zabardast Jeep was not exactly favourable, but that was a pre-production prototype. While I'm sure the production version will be a lot more refined, they first need to fire whoever came up with the name 'Zabardast' in the first place. This is the least expensive (new) Jeep/Suv 4×4 in Pakistan. The Potohar is cheaper, but it's lack of on road poise means its not in the same category. Expect a write up on this vehicle soon.

Update: The Adam Jeep won its category in the Freedom Rally 2004 in Gawadar, and came third overall - which is a pretty good.

Ssangyong Rexton

This is a solid 4×4 with a ladder type chassis, solid rear axle, independent front suspension and a lowrange Mercedes designed gearbox. It has practically every feature known to man - from rain sensing wipers to parking radars to heated seats. The Ssangyong Rexton was imported at the beginning of the year by World Automobiles in Karachi, and it is still a relative unknown. Current prices range from 27 to 36 lakh rupees.

Offroad Ability: 6 out of 10
ABS is a liability off road. None have been spotted offroad by the club yet.

Poser 4×4's

These are cars which look like 4×4s, but are actually just jacked up cars in disguise, and are based off unibody car platforms. They include the following:

A good analogy is that they are like sheep in wolves' clothing - they have the look but they can't tackle the rough stuff.

disclaimer: above ratings are given solely based on the vehicles offroad ability and durability.

Posted in Misc, October 5, 2003, by Khalid Omar

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Imad on October 8, 2003 7:29 AM

Actually, there is no documented record of anyone shoehorning a V12 in a CJ-7. The biggest engine I have read about in a CJ-7 is a 454 CID big block chevy. Some people have been known to install 500hp 488 CID Dodge Viper V10 engines in their Wranglers. However, as far as V12 engines are concerned, Detroit doesn't have a V12, even in their cars running at Indy, although Cadillac has developed a V16!! Only big name exotics such as Ferrari, Lamborghini and Jaguar manufacture V12 engines. While the cost of the first two is prohibitive, Mopar fans would rather commit suicide before dropping in an engine out of a Ford owned company. Besides, big block chevies are second only to Dodge's monster V10 as far as stock power output is concerned. With only a few modifications, the chevy can easily surpass the V10 in terms of power output, reliability, and cost effectiveness. It's also a smaller package with less bells and whistles to worry about.

Imad on October 8, 2003 7:33 AM

Also, I forgot to mention, the big block chevy is a V8. A 502 CID Ramjet big block ready to go with ECM and wiring harness, basically everything, costs under $8000, while the Viper's V10 costs $30,000!!!

Imad on October 9, 2003 2:32 AM

In the last few years, it is the Grand Cherokee, not the Cherokee, which has taken top honours at 4×4 of The Year. The Grand Cherokee bests the Cherokee's weight marginally due to its slightly larger dimensions but it has a far superior suspension and available 5.3 litre V8 option. Combined with the abundance of amenities on the interior, these features helped the Grand Cherokee claim first place. Also, the Grand Cherokee is so superior to the rest of the competition that with the Cherokee no longer in production, second place at 4×4 of The Year will be a very distant second place indeed.

Lalajee on October 10, 2003 3:00 PM

Imad baeta, yeh amrica ka khaya piya bol ria hae, haqeqat yeh hae ke yahan par petrol ka char cylinder dunya ka sab se behtar anjan hota hae, uske baad deisel ka anjan, samajh gaye.

KO on October 10, 2003 5:06 PM

There are almost no Grand Cherokee's in Pakistan, hence their absence on the list. And all this talk of V-8's and mopars and chevy's and CID's is just not cricket. Powerful here means turbo-diesel 1KZ-TE.

Imad on October 10, 2003 10:28 PM

Hehe, funny... I was merely setting some facts straight, and I'll say it again... show me a CJ-7 with a V12 and I'll show you a monkey with five a.... Of course, thanks to our govt's screwed up policies, smoke belching, lung clogging diesels are the way to go.

Yes KO, I know there are only a handful of Grand Cherokees in Pakistan. However, that doesn't mean they don't exist.

asaboor on October 13, 2003 12:07 AM

Quite interesting and informative

Jason Critides on October 20, 2003 4:53 AM

Hello.

I was looking through your site, and find it very interesting.

I myself live on the Isthmus of Panama, where it is mostly tropical jungle and savannah. I happen to drive an M151A2. In these parts the M151 is considered the best off-road vehicle, superior to the CJs, wranglers, and japanese type jeeps. In the mud the M151 goes places the others can't. I can't say for sure about comparisons with the m38a1, since we don't have any that I know of down here.(they look an awful lot like the CJs, so I would think it a better jungle offroad performer) I'm wondering if your assement of offroad capacity is based on the terrain in your area? I'm assuming arid and rocky. As to rollover problems - these happened not in the bush, but on the street - turning the vehicle too sharply at too much speed. I find my m151a2 far more stable than say my toyota hilux 4Wd truck

Imad on October 22, 2003 7:30 AM

If I am not mistaken, the M151A2 replaced the M151A1. The suspension was redesigned (lower A-arms changed to pivot front to back) to prevent rollover accidents that were claiming more lives than the frontlines. The original M151 was deadly in any kind of highspeed turn, whether on the trail or on the road. Off-camber situations further increased its tendency to flop over. In fact, the History Channel covered all incarnations of military Jeeps on Modern Marvels, in which they showed how the M151's lower A-arms folded up under the vehicle when the suspension was unloaded on one side in a highspeed turn. The redesigned vehicle proved to be a far better performer and the US military stuck with it until the inception of the Humvee in the 1980s, while other armies in the world are still using it to this day. It is interesting to note that although these vehicles are somewhat abundant in most of the world, there are virtually none in operable condition in America. The Dept of Transport deemed them unsafe for civilian use, so the Dept of Defense either salvaged surplus vehicles for spares, or destroyed the rear suspension before selling them off as scrap. Once again, one man's trash becomes another man's treasure :^).

Saad on October 22, 2003 10:08 AM

Very interesting comparison.

Wondering, why Land Rover and Range Rovers not included. Not that I own one, but there are many around, atleast more than Unimogs.

Also a new player in the field is M715, being resently auctioned by army. Have seen one?

Imad on October 24, 2003 6:37 AM

Being a 1 1/4 ton pickup, the M715 faces the same problem as the Dodge Power Wagon - the original petrol engine is a real gas guzzler and there in no appropriate diesel replacement for these behemoths. The Power Wagons I'm referring to are the later models originally purchased for the 1971 war and then put away in storage afterwards. These trucks enjoyed a brief period of popularity when the military auctioned them off. They became quite popular as commercial vehicles, with people swapping out the original 7.4 litre V8 and 3-speed auto transmission for a Toyota 3B engine and 5 speed Coaster gearbox. This combination works fine in commercial use where you just want to get from point A to point B with least amount of money. This doesn't apply to offroading for pleasure. Truth be told, the 3B's 93hp doesn't have a chance of moving a 1 1/4 ton pickup as quickly as we would like. A good power to weight ratio is the key off the road. Precisely, more is better. Granted, the 3B powered Coasters that did 120kmh on the highway, but it also took them nearly forever to hit that speed, not to mention the engine is running at redline at that speed with the Coaster's LOW gearing. So the moral of the story is that while one might see the occasional M715 or Power Wagon on the trail, it'll take a reasonably priced but powerful diesel to really make them popular. For a better explanation, refer to my article on engine selection in the tech section. I for one would love to build up an M715 - there's something visceral and brutal about those trucks.

Saad on November 5, 2003 1:57 PM

You are right about low powered diesels M715. A friend of mine has a Toyota 3L fitted in his M715. Even on road it seems underpowered. Someone advised to put in it a Mazda 3.5 litre from Mazda truck.

Haris Zuberi on January 7, 2004 1:02 AM

Hi! I just came across this site and was extremely delighted to know there are online jeep lovers out there in karachi. I'm madly in love with the Willys MB 1942-44 and have done extensive research on the legend during the past few months. It's absolutely great to know i might be able to get some information from experts here. Since i have no idea about the markets in karachi, i've been wondering what the chances are to get hold of a Willys MB 1942-44 in good condition and how much it would cost? you mentioned in the Willys analysis about some mechanic "Daud" from Lyari. Is he a specialist? and would it be possible to contact him to buy a Willys from him?
I hope you'd have ansewrs to my questions.
Thanks!
Haris Zuberi.

simon on January 12, 2004 3:13 AM

nice to see that the pakistani 4×4 brotherhood is alive and kickin'. I live in nova scotia canada and we use a lot of bronco 2's to offroad with . There's no mention at all of this handy little trail bruiser in your site. Aren't they available in Pakistan or do they just suck for the local conditions?Mail me back . p.s. its snowing outside right now and i'm off to do some donuts in the local shopping mall parking lot.!!

simon on January 13, 2004 6:14 AM

this is my second posting as I have had a chance to go over your site a little more extensively....wow... the scenery in Pakistan is absolutely breath-taking!! I just hope that I'll someday have chance to visit/4×4 in person. Also, I am extremely impressed by your ingenuity and the level of your expertise under what appear to be some very trying conditions (sourcing parts, the petrol/diesel problem, the physical environment, etc). Keep up the good work!! Also my email address is rubberduck_801@hotmail.com I would welcome any communication in order to learn more about Pakistan and 4×4ing there. Ican reciprocate with info from Canada. Again, your site kicks ass!!

Major Baleegh Ur Rehman on January 19, 2004 5:04 AM

Well different people have different ideas, but as regard my case is concerned, i must say that Toyota Land Cruiser 1999 model, 4×4, 4.2 liters diesel engine is the best off road vehicle yet any company has made so far. I have driven for more than 60,000 kms in the vast and arid desert of Human-e-Mashkel, Nokkundi, Taftan and all on the off road, for almost more than a year , and i must say that, its the best off road vehicle ever built. Further more i have the experience of travelling in the mountains as well as in the river basins, its ground clearence is perfect and its engine power and torque are just be the best. On my tenure of more than a year, in Mashkel, I tell you that at many occassions I encountered the norcotics smugglers and they all prefer and use the same Toyota Land Cruiser 4500 EFI, petrol engine for their smugglings. Well they have the resources in millions, but as regard i am concerned as iI was posted as Wing Commander 84 Wing in Mashkel and we were alloated these diesel Land Cruisers by the HQ FC Balochistan, as they have the capability to match up with the petrol ones in Mashkel and its surroundings, as for me if some one ask, the best off road vehicle in Pakistan is Toyota Land Cruiser 1999, model. Thats why in Pakistan Army 90% of jeeps are of the same vintage.
Major Baleegh Ur Rehman AO, TC, Loralai.

Niaz Khan on February 20, 2004 2:59 PM

Hi guys, it was great experience to visit this site and very exiting one too. I had a Toyota Landcruiser some years ago. Am great lover of offroaders. As in article above the Willys MB is a true legend. Want ot have one, can anybody inform me about the source - as mentioned above in the article - Pak Army is disposing off these vehicles - can I have the source information - where/whome should one contact for participating in these auctions - and about private markets/people dealing in these types of supplies spcially in Karachi as also mentioned in the article about some mechanic "Daud" from Lyari. How can one contact him on phone / his postal address. What is the price range.I hope that some friend will reply to my quries. I am also interested in having CJ or Jeep Vagoneer. Please do reply on fnk2727@hotmail.com. Thanks.

Aslam Najef on March 15, 2004 10:27 PM

Hi.
Seen lot of good condition "kekra" in kashmir's hilly terian rather in good condition.They are splendid.A chinese miltry model also can be seen around.
I am looking for real original and in nice condition "Wllly" if someone there can help me out and contact me on my E-mail

KO on March 17, 2004 9:33 AM

There are a number of orignal M38's for sale at Ghani Mills.. someone bought 130 from an army auction and I think 50 odd are still left.

For directions - Its somewhere on the outskirts of Karachi - will have to find out.

I do not think there is any willys/m38 in nice condition for sale though - they all need serious work. Chinese Jeeps are being manufactured in Pakistan now. The less said about them the better.

Pal Negyesi on April 19, 2004 9:11 PM

Hi!
Does anyone have the contact address, ph and fax number of Adam Motor Co, maker of the Zabardast Jeep?

Also Land Rover supplied 456 Defender kits to Pakistan in 2003. I take these were all army use. Am I right?

Regards,
Pal
Editor, Autoindex
www.autoindex.org

KO on April 20, 2004 3:07 PM

Landrover here has said they have supplied approx 500 Pakistani assembled landrovers to the army so far. They have a long term contract to supply assembled landrovers to the army, so they have imported more kits. They also plan to start assembling Defenders for civilian use in the near future. I'll email you the contact details for Adam Motor Co.

George Avramidis on May 8, 2004 8:16 PM

Interested on Jeeps, I collect sales literature of them. Have material on POTOHAR, GHINZHAL, NAYA DAUR. I look for any literature or info on NISPAK 4×4 as built in Pakistan years ago and the address of the importer of Chinese Jeeps sold as ADAM ZABARDAST.
Can anybody assist. I prefare a direct e-mail at : gaa@panafonet.gr

Salman on July 8, 2004 4:06 PM

I was thinkin about gettin a M151-A2. I want to keep it as original as possible. Therefore it will remain as left hand drive, with original drive train and rims etc. But we all know that an un-efficient 2.4 Detriot Gasoline engine is hardly affordable in Pakistan. I plan on experimenting with a Toyota 3C (2.2 turbo-D) engine mated to the original M151 grear box. I understand I will need a gizmo (gadget) to drop the diesel engine's idle 1,100 rpms down to a petrol engines idle of 850 rpm before i can shift into first gear. other then that the engine may work. Guys, please provide your comments/ advice.

Thanks,

Salman

J. Umer on July 10, 2004 12:30 PM

I like your comments about various 4× 4 s I own a 2003 Toyota 3 litre with the new common rail D4D engine.
I find it very comfortable and you have to travel/hunt in the northern punjab in the rainy seasons to find the mud and slush on the banks of river chenab and ravi, My Hi lux is automatic but it never gets stuck unless I fail to engage the 4×4 in time.
I have over 35 years of off roading in jeeps of saveral types but I have never been in a more comfortable and responsive vehicle.
Best regards

bikram singh sandhu on August 4, 2004 4:10 PM

Hi guys,
I am bikram from India.Since the teis between our countries are becoming stronger day by day,I would also like to extend a hand of friendship to you.I had been thinking that since the pakistan army had been using american jeeps.I am really a fan of the M38-A1 and the M151-A2.The indian army is using the M606 aka the willys cj3b and the unbeatably nissan jonga aka the 1952 NISSAN PATROL. If any one of you guys would be kind enough to enchange one of these jeeps in desposol army condition(but with full parts) with the same condition nissan jonga or the m606,please let me know.We could drive down to the wagah border in amritsar and enchange the jeeps.If anyone of you is seriously interested please e-mail me.

Saad on August 5, 2004 12:34 PM

Hi Bikram,

Welcome on board.

I am afraid that this kind of exchange may not be possible without import/export permissions in both countries.

kamran on August 17, 2004 8:01 PM

please tell me that land rover defender for pakistan army will be pakistan assembled only or pakistan army may import assemble vehical direct from uk

kamran on September 12, 2004 9:35 AM

does any body know about how much pakistan army got land rover defenders from uk in 2004.and whether pakistan is assembling from ckd kits.

stefan slomczynski on September 19, 2004 3:52 PM

Can anyone Help? I am looking to buy 3xjeeps M38 0r M38A1,to ship to England for a project,they need to be in reasonable condition ,needing light retoration etc.[Prefer just released from Army condition]. Does anyone have Ghani Mills tel/fax no? Or any other details of other dealers,or indeed info on wether the Army is still selling these older jeeps. Thanks. Stefan slom. England.

naseer on September 20, 2004 6:17 PM

salaaams to everyone from the UK, which is my home nowadays.

Very nice to see some 4×4 activity in Pakistan. i live near jhelum and dina in Punjab. I am interested in buying M38A1 or similar jeep (diesel if possible) can anyone point me in the right direction.

Is there any enthusiasts near dina?

Azmat Hayat on September 25, 2004 7:12 PM

Hello Friends,

I visited a closed Steel Re-rolling mill (INSAFF STEEL MILL - If I'm not forgetting it's name)near Rawat, just 3-4kms ahead on the left of where Islamabad Highway joins G.T Road. There were about 50-60 M38 A1's in good condition. Needed little denting and were being sold for Pk Rs 85,000/- a piece. Don't have any clue if they are still available or not.

Best Regards,

Azmat Hayat.

stefan slomczynski on September 28, 2004 1:33 AM

Thanks to all people who have replyed to me.I am interested in M38jeeps only,[not M38A1 sorry- i made a mistake]And only in quantity of 3 or more,best from a dealer i guess,or straight from the Army if possible? anyone have any ideas?
Stefan,England.

Omer Khalid on November 18, 2004 12:09 AM

slaam . I am a LAND ROVER enthusiast without out owning the jeep : )though looking for one high and low. The reason i am an enthusiast is cause we have been importing LAND ROVER SPARE PARTS from UK for the past 25 plus years and are agents of the largest maunfacturer of LAND ROVER parts in the world.

Came across this site and found not much on Land Rover it was suprising as LAnd Rovers are cosidered a top of the line off roaders. But i guess as mentioned in the article on this site " LAND ROVER DEFENDER" that not many are seen in action off road in Pakistan . I guess in Pakistan the Arab Shaikhs are doing all the serious off roading on DEFENDERS.

The reason for seeing so mant detoriated Rovers in pakistan is there high cost of maintanence.The parts are expensive compared to other jeeps and the mechanics are not available and they end up having loads of JUGARS.

I believe that Rovers pretty soon or going to make a show in Pakistan soon as now they are being manufactured here . But the information we have is that the ckd kit imported are not UK origin but some 3rd country that is yet to be confirmed. if any one know has any info about it please do inform me it would be appreciated.

The first 5000 LAND ROVER DRFENDERS the pakistan army recieved are definatly of UK origin . These defenders were originaly made for USA but were diverted to Pakistan.

If any one needs to find out anything about LAND ROVER please feel free o contact me . Would be very happy to be of any help .

Omer Khalid

email: shkomer@hotmail.com Cell No: 0303-6230690

fahim on November 22, 2004 6:55 PM

you have forgot to mention that pajero is now available with a proper 3s dealership.

jn on November 22, 2004 7:49 PM

hi, i'm doing some research into pre-partition india circa 1943. what would have been the most likely type of jeep used by a middle-class family living in or near a hill station. Would the M38/Willys Jeep been available to the layperson in india at that time? if not, what others were being sold at the time?

thanks.

Motorlink Technologies International on December 7, 2004 12:32 PM

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Willie on December 29, 2004 8:34 PM

Hi, Irish Army had CJ3B, but all long gone. Any chance of picking up one in reasonable condition in Pakistan or India. Would have to be reasonable priced to afford shipping to Ireland. Willie.

Syed Rizwan Mashadi on January 26, 2005 3:11 PM

I feel really glad to read very technical and informative comments on 4×4 jeeps, as i own a Land Rover Defender Jeep and also the only Authorised dealer for Land Rover Genuine Parts in Pakistan, i have noticed that the Land Rover owners in Pakistan are very much satisfied with its performance as off road vehicle, its suspension, 4 wheel disc brakes, 4 wheel coil springs, turbo charger and intercooler system are its special characterstics, Now the mantainence cost has even dropped bcoz many individuals have also got the Defenders and its parts are now easily available. As per my knowledge the other 4×4 jeeps which are in under use here e.g Willys, M38a1, M151a2 and toyota jeep are not remained as much efficient due the alterations made by the local machanics, their drive is not reliable specially in northern araes, all of my Customers in this area always prefer Land Rover jeep on any other 4×4 due to its dependabilty.

Any one requiring any assistance or technical support can contact me on askariauto@yahoo.com

Skorpion on March 12, 2005 3:11 AM

HI,

I am actually impressed at this guys, knowledge and interest in this guys detailing about the 4×4's. I come from an Indian Army Major's Family and we used the similar stuff. Though i surprised not to find mention of the Nissan Jonga of '52, a neat 6-cylinder petrol guzzler. Now being decommissoned by the IA. Can anyone give me a link to whats a nice restored Jonga could look like so i can get some suggestions, when i get my army disposed one?

Imad, I am glad there is more to than the politics projected by our govts. I see. Your place looks a lil like mine. ;)

Skorpion

Shuja on March 14, 2005 4:52 PM

Its nice to see your site but you shoud put up some more pics here...... I belong to sindh and we have a jeep club too , i myself am an artist and i have degsined few jeeps with parado and surf styles with heated seats and fully automatic transmitions, build with four wheel coil springs. you will be able to see them soon on my web sites

Adam Motor on March 16, 2005 3:55 AM

Zabardast is now out and costs Rs. 893,000 ($14,883)

Here's the contact details for Adam motor company:

Address: DSU-11, Pakistan Steel, Downstream Industrial Estate, Bin Qasim, Karachi, Pakistan.
Phone (+92-21) 4750755 - 61
Fax (+92-21) 4750781
Email adammotor@cyber.net.pk
Website: http://adammotor.netfirms.com/

umar farooq on March 25, 2005 9:56 PM

Nice article. I have Jeep CJ-7 in a quite good conidtion and I love driving it. I shall like to exchange notes about the parts availability and related jeep up-keep items.

Major Baleegh Ur rehman on March 31, 2005 4:24 AM

All read about different vehicles, but i tell you the best off roader is the old time favorite is Toyota Land Cruiser 1999, 4.2 litre diesel or the 4.5 litre EFI petrol vehicle. Its off road travelling is the best at high speeds like above 120 kmph. If any one is interested in buying old vintage of these vehicles he must contact COD - Central Ordinance Depot - Rawalpindi. Aution on six montly basis is held there for the old vintage of Pak Army vehicles especially jeeps of all vintages. But i must say here if want to enjoy the off road drive go for Toyota Land cruiser 1999 model. Its price tag these days will be around 1 million Pak Rupees and can easily be purchased from Quetta. More over this vehicle is worth its price. If any one of you visit the area plus of Quetta towards the Iranian border these vehicles are sold there without papers worth 200,000.00 Pak Rupees only too. Have a nice day.
Major Baleegh Ur Rehman, AO, TC, Loralai-Balochistan

Khizar on April 3, 2005 7:30 PM

HI
In my opinion Adam Zabadast Jeep is the best for off-road purpose because it got 3rd position in the Freedom Rally 2004 in Gawadar. It is built very strongy. It is powerfull and it has many other features which other jeeps in it price range donot have.

AWAIS on April 14, 2005 2:51 AM

hi anyone
to me the best jeep is m715 the ultimate all terrain beast.
In reply to jeep willi requirment i saw abt 250-300 m38 jeeps standing in army condition near thokar niaz baig Lahore.
i am also a auto freak and love building or converting vehicles to go beyond the original specs so of my works r as follows
full replica of 98 model lexus cygnus land cruiser on a frame of 1976 landcruiser,only chassis code can tell the difference.
i also have converted jeep cj7 to coil spring just like a 1989 tj,
and also converted 1985 chevorlet capric classic car to 4×4 with coil spring at each end over rigid axels with ground clearence of 11 inchs fitted with 30×12/50 meats.
also extended the cabins of a 1993 crown to 7 feat and toyota corolla 1997 to 4 feet.
also converted suzuki baleno single air jet manifoiled to 2 way air manifoiled to boost in extra power.

if u want any tips and tricks regarding auto's just email me at the given address i will try my best to help u.
until than AH

Imad on April 16, 2005 12:45 AM

Awais,

Good work on your custom vehicles! We'd like to see some pics posted
in the forums. I also started a tips & tricks thread in the forums a
while ago. Feel free to add your tips and tricks for working on autos
in there.

I'm especially interested in your coil sprung CJ7. How does it ride
and handle compared to the original leaf spring suspension? Which
vehicle's suspension components did you use for the CJ7? Please post
some pictures of this jeep.

Ram Damodar on April 29, 2005 2:21 PM

This is the first time I have visited your site, EXCELLENT, I wish we had one even half as good here in India, We too have a lot of jeeps of all vintages and models, some very well restored, I shall send some pics as soon as I can find the time and a digital camera. Your comments on the Pajero are most apt, they really are useless off road, but very comfortable on tarmac.
Ram Damodar, Bangalore, India.

Henry T on May 11, 2005 1:42 AM

Hello, great site!
I have a M38A1 which I am wanting to put a diesel engine into. Does anyone know of similar projects and if so, what engine was used.
I would like to have more power but I would be reluctant to have to change the axles etc. Any advice would be appreciated.
Regards, H

MOhammad Asim on May 15, 2005 4:03 PM

hi, good to see you and it's very informative site, i love jeeps if you have some, i am intruted in cj-5 or cj-7 looking farward for your early reply
(0333-2248661)
thanks and regards
Asim

Philip on June 4, 2005 5:53 PM

Hi all!

In my part of the world (West Africa), Land Rovers are all over the place, as well as Land Cruisers. Only that the Land Rover are used for the bush, and the Land Cruisers as luxury vehicles on road.

Off-road has different meanings, depending on the topography of your particular area. When I read about Land Cruisers being the best off-roader because they have a smooth ride at 120 Kmh, I would agree... for that particular terrain. And only that one. Land Rovers are terrible in matters of comfort generally, and speed. But what we call off-road here is not exactly the same thing: I can guarantee you that in the type of bush and tracks we have here, you'll be lucky if you can drive at 20-30 Kmh! And I bet you that no Land Cruiser (except to a measure the old type that looks like a Jeep) will be able to follow a Land Rover when the going gets really rough.

In my opinion, the best 4×4 is the Range Rover old shape. It has much better comfort than a Land Rover or a land Cruiser, and beats hands down any Toyota in the terrain. The new models have too many gadgets and electronic circuitry to be reliable in the bush and in harsh environments.

I drove Land Rovers, Range Rovers, Hilux, Land Cruisers, Pajero, BMW X5, Lada Niva, Portaro, and I don't know what else, on roads, European highways, mountain tracks, across sand, rocks, mud, tropical forests, savannah, snow, scorching sun, rains, and I use to spend days and days in the bush. I repair my cars myself, and I am an engineer whose job is to make sure that things do what they are meant to do. My personal conclusion is that for a vehicle that is good on and off road, in ANY conditions and terrain, I wouldn't spend a cent on anything else than a Range Rover. If there is more bush than road involved, a Land Rover is the choice for a working vehicle.

BUT... yes, there is a but. To make the point, a friend of mine bought a Land Rover a couple of years ago. He showed it to his friend Jimmy, who is a mechanic. Jimmy looked, and said: "That's a great car. Tell me, are you a good mechanic?" "Not at all, why?" my friend answered. Jimmy replied: "Don't worry, now you will learn..."

Land Rovers and Range Rovers will outlast any other 4×4, but they need constant attention for little (and sometime not so little) nagging things. So if you don't like to tinker, or if you have two left hands with five thumbs each, you better get friendly with someone who IS a mechanic, and likes what he is doing. This is probably the reason why they don't "last" in Pakistan: the owner must be a loving mechanic, you can't just kick-start the thing in the morning everyday for ten or fifteen years until it falls apart once and for all. On the other hand, if you have a passion for cars, they are the most wonderful cars to have: their "meccano" type of construction is a dream when you want to dismantle, repair, modify, or upgrade, parts are plentiful all over the world, usually quite cheap, and it's the car with the highest quantity of specialized magazines, websites, and clubs in the world. You'll find experts and passionate owners anywhere you go, and you'll meet people going round the world in forty years old models. Puttering, rattling, uncomfortable, ugly, but unstoppable.

The only thing (factory stock, I mean, not special custom vehicles, or Unimog, Pinzgauer and other single-purpose pieces of equipment) that may leave a Land Rover/Range Rover behind in very rough terrain is probably the little Suzuki. Also because if you get stuck, you can load the thing on your shoulders and continue on foot. But if you ever had a ride in one of them, believe me, you won't even think about TRAVELLING in one...!

One last thing. I have on my desk a recent issue of a Land Rover magazine, open at the Classified pages, Land Rovers for sale. The list goes: 1957 SI, SI 109 1957, 1965 IIA SWB, SIIA 1967, 1970 SWB, 1965 SIIA, 1975 SWB, etc... All of these are running vehicles, currently registered, with MOT, not collectibles.

Durability? You bet...

Sheheryar on July 18, 2005 10:02 PM

Well, very informative article indeed. I got my hand ful with lotta things which I dont know as such. BTW I wanna know abt the offroading capabilities of Nissan Patrol and Nissan's Double Cab.
Thnx.

lee Alessi on July 27, 2005 10:04 AM

ive got a decently built m715 with a cummins 4bt. at 105hp its QUITE capable. good site!

SHAHID VIRK on July 30, 2005 12:32 AM

Hi salam,

I must say that its a very well presented and informative site, your reviews really helped me to make a decision on Toyota 4×4, & I know which one to buy now....
Keep it up

*Can anyone give me some info on custom duty/tax on imported vehicles in Pakistan? Thanks

humayun mir on August 2, 2005 10:44 AM

Very informative and interesting site along with great information , please keep this up. I am a 4X4 enthusiast , & I can safely say I have been to all parts of our dear homeland from quetta to khunjrab pass & have seen and driven almost all of the terrains.My experiences have withToyota Land cruisers , pajero turbo wagons and I have still have 1983-1984 Isuzu Trooper.Although this vehicle hasnt been a success in Pakistan because of absence of dealerships and parts , but I can authentically say it has outperformed almost all the 4×4s in its class.I think I have the best maintained Isuzu of the model in the whole country , I would love to see if you guys can dig some information and add it on your site.For starters this vehicle never heats up in terrains with heavy loads and its off road performance has been great , one source is the 1998-1999 top gear in which it was declared the best in its class , ( other vehicles were Shogun,Nissan pathfinder , discovery etc)

Kashan on August 17, 2005 1:38 AM

Hi,
I was looking for auction cars in our country and came across this wonderfull 4×4 site entailing 4×4 culture here in our country. Its good to know that there are so many off road enthusiats here too. I own two Ford 1939 model jeeps. I am an offroad enthusiats myself. I use a toyota 2.2 ltr engine coupled with toyota 5 speed(double top) gear box and original special 4×4 gear in my jeeps. It gets me through any terrain i have encountered, whether it be the desert or a rock studded terrain. I totally agree with u guys that Pajero is the worst offroad car. Its more into luxury than it is into offroading. BUT i have used one for quite some time and feel that it does get the job done (at the cost of some suspension replacement afterwards :-). I am looking for a 84 Toyota Hilux 4×4 chassis. Anyone kind enough plz do let me know.
Thanks

Syed Rizwan Mashadi on August 17, 2005 2:19 PM

HI guys,
Hope you people are enjoing your 4×4 rides. I am enjoying My Defender 90, Its really best Off Road driven Jeep. Now its parts availabilty is also not a problem, dealership network of SIgma Motors has been extended upto all main cities of Pakistan.
People who want to go cross country should get their own LAnd Rover Defender, Few 2nd hand defenders are also available in market, auctioned by Aga Khan Foundation Gilgit. These are of 88 to 96 models and prices are between 5-10 lacks.

Take Care all of you

Rizwan

Faisal on August 31, 2005 6:10 PM

its very nice to see so many info about the off road vehicles.keep the good work up.but the author has not mentioned anything about RANGE ROVERS, and the mitsubishi L200 nor anything about Warrior.

stefan slomczynski on October 4, 2005 3:29 AM

Does anyone knowhow to contact the Central Ordinance depot at Rawalpindi ?
i am still looking for old jeeps willys MB ,Cj2a,M38. (not M38A1) Does the army still sell some of these/ if so what prices and condition? thanks Stefan S.

Sony on October 15, 2005 12:58 PM

Nice details KO. But u have missed a 4×4 that used to be manufactured in Pakistan back in late 70s n early 80s by now defunct "Naya Daur Motors". The "Wagoneer"!!!!!!!. I have seen a number of them in Pakistan. In fact they were extensively used by GOP in 80s.

KO on October 15, 2005 1:20 PM

Sony: My uncle had a Jeep Wagoneer in the 80's, and there were quite a few around then. I had been in it quite a few times when I was young, but had completely forgotten about it! Sadly, very few of them are still around.

Lance on October 18, 2005 1:20 PM

Hi, this is the first time that I am writing to this site, but I used to own a M38AI and sold it some time ago. I want a vehicle that is bigger and heavier (even if it is in bad condition). I was thinking of buying a wagoneer. I live in karachi and love driving upcountry a lot with my wife. Now I have a 6 month old baby and figured a wagoneer would have a lot of space for him to play around in at the back of the vehicle while we are driving and for his sleeping. I wold liketo know if anyone knows of any wagoneer that is being sold. I dont mind one that is a little screwed up as I do intend to work on it and customize it and make it up the way I want it. Please do let me know if anyone comes across one. Thanks.
Also want to know what would be the best desiel engine to put into this vehicle.

ps. Also not looking for one that is to exp.

KIT FLORENDO on October 27, 2005 6:04 AM

Is there anyone interested in building a replica Willys Jeep from a supplied stainless steel body on chassis OR, if your import regulations allow, a complete ready-to-drive car, 4WD if you wish. I can send you LOTS of digital photos and descriptions.

rupert pollock on November 6, 2005 7:02 PM

I live in Ireland,and have watched with horror the terrible human trajedy caused by the earthquake.Please God things get better soon.
Icouldnt help noticing the number of BJ-40 landcruisers helping the relief effort.Some are in remarkably good shape.
Are they still made under licence In Pakistan?
I have 2 BJ-40 jeeps which i use on my farm.One has done over 400000 miles,not working at the moment.The other 200000 miles ,engine running beautifully,but unfortuneately is rusting away.Rust is a big problem here.
Could someone help me find parts or even one in good working order.

Imad on November 7, 2005 9:40 AM

Thank you for the kind thoughts. The scale of the destruction is beyond words.

BJ40 cruisers were manufactured in Pakistan at some point in the the late 60s or early 70s. However, most of the vehicles you saw are actually decommissioned military issue FJ40s. They have been restored at least once, and almost all of them have been converted over to diesel using original B series engines. Since it's a direct bolt in swap, it's very tough even for the trained eye to tell a converted FJ from a factory BJ. FJ40s were also supplied to utility companies and public works departments, and many of them have found their way into civilian hands too. That being said, original BJ40s are also plentiful here. Cruisers, especially older ones, are considered prized possessions in this part of the world, so most of them are kept pretty well maintained.

Smeena Bajwa on November 21, 2005 2:28 PM

Well ! its time that someone talked about the PAJERO J TOP, the soft top version with 18 inch wheels. Its off road capabilities r far better than what they have been judged for.

Cheers !

Umer on November 22, 2005 1:04 PM

Hi,
First of all I am very thanksful to you to introduced Jeeps of karachi on net. I am very glad to visit your site, the matter is that I am also working with Jeeps like M38 Cjs 7 and Landcruiser Army models, I will be very thankful to you that you reply me and I also sent you my JEEP M170 photos to you on net ,
with best wishies Umer Farooq

Hamza Usman on December 4, 2005 2:24 AM

Hey!
Ive bought the defender from sigma..and ive got this much to say...whoever reckons it breaks down is off his rocker..no offense..let me elaborate
first of all.the first reason why the army rejected the defenders about 10=20 years ago was due to a fault in the turbo..being JALHIL and not fully comprehending the beauty of the engine they convientle forgot land rovers thumb rule...NEVER EVER SWITCH OFF A DEFENDER THAT HAS BEEN DRIVER FOR MORE THAN 10 MINS BEFORE LETTING IT IDLE FOR ABOUT 2-3 MINs..apparently the turbo kept the oils inside its turbine fins which would eventually jam..
secondly...seeing that one can still see them running is a credit to their durability..it is a fact that more than 80 percent of the worlds army's use defenders..why? because they are bloody good at wat they do...take u anywhere in any environment anyime....ppl who have seen the camel trophy will know what i am talking aout

all in all ..s.eeing that the defender is here...i think u guys should post an article on it..giving it 11 out of 10

Hamza Usman on December 4, 2005 5:50 PM

hey!
well i guess your right about the points you put forward.
as far as the jeep being underpowered..i reckon u only feel that once ur on the road..i agree with the good will part..the jeep is a bit pricey at its 23 lac price tag...on another note though..we went on a trip o bohtanis farm and we decided to deviate from the normal route that the guide took us on..in our group we had a willy's, vigo and a 95 land cruiser..both which proved highly efficent on other tracks but they refused to go over the sort of terrain i took my defender on..

in the end i guess its personal choice and i believe i could never do justice to my defenders off roading capabilities because its meant for a completely different different purpose than going over sand dunes in phase 8 etc..
people can get heaps more comfortable jeeps spendin the same amount of money so the defender at the end of the day is just reserved for a die hard land rover fan...

Yaseen on December 6, 2005 12:15 PM

Dear Hamza,

We have never doubted the offroading and or mechanical abilities of the Land Rover. It is indeed a very capable vehicle and can indeed keep up with most and perhaps even outdo quite a few off road vehicles.

However, the Land Rover has certain characteristics that keep one from endearing it.

  • It is not very comfortable to begin with, very stiff suspension;
  • The shape leaves much to be desired;
  • With that Turbo diesel it is under powered;
  • For the price it is more about goodwill than value;
  • The lot that has made its way to the general public of Pakistan via Sigma motors was meant for a left hand drive nation. I happened to drive one of the earlier delivered vehicles. The gear lever was so far away from the driver's seat that it seemed like it had been designed for a langur and not a human;
  • The driver's seat is shoved all the way into the support pillar; it cramps anyone who is broader than Fido dido;
  • The air conditioner controls are too close to the driver's leg thereby adding to the cramped feeling.

So after taking the pros and cons into consideration, I'd either spend much less and rebuild a Jeep or then perhaps buy a Hilux, Prado or something along those lines as Toyota SUVS are as tough as they come and they are more luxurious than a Defender can dream to be. Not to mention it'll look better too. Land Rover has left the Defender a bit too raw to digest for 2005. Jeep on the other hand has not only retained its rough and tough reputation but has also improved its user friendliness over the years.

I am not totally disregarding Land Rover, the LR3 is in a class of its own.

Imad on December 6, 2005 12:17 PM

I thought the problems Yaseen mentioned above were limited only to Defenders sold by Sigma Motors in Pakistan but after speaking with people who have driven Defenders in the UK, it appears that it's actually quite common for Defenders to be so blatantly unergonomic.

My observations:

  • The seats are flat, minimally padded, and jammed into the B-pillars. There's a whole lot of wasted space in the middle where a console supposedly resides. Why couldn't they have simply located the front seats further inboard and made the console slightly narrower? I certainly don't think LR designers thought someone would be stowing their small children away in there - it's just poor design.
  • The steering wheel is off center. It would be properly aligned if the seats were moved about 3-4" inboard.
  • The less said about the gear shifter, the better - you need a passenger to ride with you at all times in the front seat to change gears. That stick is meant for him, not you the driver.
  • Beauty may be in the eye of the beholder, but damn this thing looks like it was put in a time machine. The exposed rivet and spot weld design is once again just poor design. I understand it was originally meant to be a cheap farm machine but at its current price the Defender is far from that. The least LR could do is clean up the exterior a LITTLE bit. They also need to understand that long, flat unreinforced panels develop waves in just a matter of days on the road, let alone uneven off-road tracks. Have you ever seen a reflection in a Defender's doors or any other side panels? You'll know what I'm talking about once you do.

No one other than a die-hard LR romantic would buy one of these things. And it's not just me saying that - just look up the resale value Defenders have here. That said, I will give the Defender credit where it's due:

  • The Turbocharged and intercooled engine is a step in the right direction. Now they just need to punch out the displacement to 3.4L or thereabouts.
  • Massive 4-wheel disc brakes that will stop even the 110 in a hurry.
  • Beefy solid live axles a'la Land Cruiser. No IFS crap
  • Coil spring suspension at all four corners.

In a nutshell, the Defender is mechanically sound, but lousy otherwise. For the same price I'd get a Land Cruiser ANYDAY, even if it's older.

KO on December 6, 2005 12:24 PM

Imad, the 2.8L intercooled turbo diesel is still underpowered - even the plain 2.4 Hilux engine feels more powerful. Yaseen the mechanical soundness of the defender is a running joke in Africa and Australia.

Imad on December 7, 2005 11:51 PM

There's no doubt the Defender is a great offroader. However, it is a workhorse rather than a touring vehicle. It just doesn't offer the comfort one needs on long drives, especially on our battered roads and highways. The technology available to manufacturers today doesn't require one to give up comfort for offroadability. Jeeps have been comfortable and also highly capable offroaders since the early 80s. Before that they were completely utilitarian just like LRs.

As far as I am concerned, the Jeep CJ-7, and YJ & TJ Wranglers are about as perfect as 4×4s get. They have the right balance of everything. The YJ Wranglers gave up a fair bit of offroadability found in the CJ-7 for better on-road manners (nothing that a few aftermarket parts couldn't fix), but the TJ more than made up for it with absolutely killer offroad capability and even better road manners than the YJ. You are right though - money aside, the choice between a Jeep or a LR is a purely personal one. Both brands have die hard fans.

BTW, what kind of terrain did you guys go through at Bhootani farms? It's difficult to imagine a Willy's getting left behind. It should have at least kept up with the Defender.

cheers,

Imad

Hamza Usman on December 10, 2005 3:20 PM

Your fimiliar with the rough track that takes you around to the farm.one that resembles a road in the side of a mountain....we took it down from there and the defender pulled through and out on top of the jagged rocks...the willy's got through with the driver cursing on whose idea was it to bring the jeeps down.then after we pulled thru the willys didnt have enuff power to pull it across the rocks...but i reckon it was more reluctance on the owners part to push the jeep...

anyways as always id like to end the post glorifying the defender beyond any other off roader..i realized that when ur in a defender u dont need comfort..my father was talking to a british land rover specialist who had put in some years designing the series 3..he said that if u note the passanger seat does not have a handle to hold onto..this is because its designed ( its suspension etc and seating) so that the passanger does not need to hold on to anything..and its true...ive tried it out :)...on another note...i find the defender quite comfortable...i mean it would be stark in comparison to a prado or land cruiser owner...ive been in a willy;s and i find the seating and back position wreacking havoc with me..ill grant that sitting at the back in the defender is a pain in the butt :P...

Hamza on December 11, 2005 5:56 PM

I would recommend that you get in touch with sigma motors and ask them...they have a test course (a rigorous one) where they test all the jeeps that come in..im assuming they have good drivers..so yeh..

IRFAN KHATTAK on December 20, 2005 7:57 PM

UNIMOG:
I own a Unimog. It is 2.4 Diesel. Normally aspirated. As mentioned, the engine feels a bit underpowered on the road. Once you unleash the beast in Off Road, I mean OTR, Off-The-Road situtation, it is practically unstoppable. the feel is like no other off-roader in the world.
We have a small and unknown type club in Abbottabad by the name of OffRoaders Unlimited.
I will be interested in off-road discussions and if could be of any assistance would greatly appreciate to be contacted via my email above.
Irfan

Mustakim on January 18, 2006 11:15 AM

More excitement coming from ssangyong rexton offroad availibility,anyone can tell me any involvement of this model with pakistani army..

Omar Husain on January 19, 2006 5:22 AM

No offense, but i think only jeeps are great for offroading. toyota sucks. Misubishi sucks. (KO's cousin)

Kashan on February 2, 2006 1:11 AM

Hi,
Anyone know where i could get a 86 softop Land Cruiser??? Is Pak Army auctioning?

ray on February 13, 2006 11:59 AM

i have a 1958 nissan patrol 4w65 and need information on engine specifications particularly valve clearances. also any information on parts or workshop manuals would be appreciated. any info gladly received

M. Awais on February 13, 2006 11:57 PM

AoA, I was wondering about Toyota Hilux Surf SSR-G with X-REAS Suspensions, and Part time / Multi mode 4WD (Transfer with Torsen center LSD + Automatic Disconecting Differential [ADD]) and Rear LSD; how much would it cost, and who are dealing it, coz toyota-indus in isb doesn't deal with surfs.

About Toyota's Part-time Multimode 4WD Transfer, does it have 2 speed Hi/Lo Range gears? Is this thing equiped in Toyota LC Prado along with Torsen Center LSD & ADD.

Thirdly I have seen Ssangyong Stavic SV270 Xdi on isb streets, the one with AWD System seems impressive as it equiped with Hi/lo range tranfer case. Wonder if this MPV would be suitable (obiviously not for extreme offroad) on medium off-road tracks and long on-road drives in pakistan? Any ideas about its price and dealers in isb?

KO on February 14, 2006 5:44 PM

M. Awais, pricing questions would be best answered by a car dealer. My guess is that it would cost anywhere from 25 to 40 lakhs for a used version. The 2003 Surf (and onwards) is based on the Landcruiser 120 series chassis and has a Hi/Lo transfer case. It is far, far superior in terms of drive quality and refinement to the old one. The 2002 and older models are based on the old Toyota Hilux, which is one of the toughest objects known to man.

Yes, the Stavic should be suitable for long drives. Keep in mind that a long drive in Pakistan will take you over terrain which would be considered offroad in South Korea. It is a bit large for offroad use.

Jamil Ahmed on March 8, 2006 8:38 PM

A O A, nice articles mention here, i'm asking about availablity of spare parts of Land Rover series II, espacilly restoration available here in pakistan.

Usman Khalid on March 28, 2006 1:34 PM

Asalam o Alikum..
umm.. i wanted to know.. if i can get a jeep in condition for PK Rs. 80,000-100,000.. i am interested in buying a M38 or a jeep like that.. but in good condition.. so if any of you wants to sale his/her jeep.. please contact me.. i am from karachi.. and i would like it more if the jeep you offer would be of karachi number too.. you can contact me on my cell number too.. its 0300 9264150 or you can email me on usmankhalid84@hotmail.com. Thanks.

Laiq Ali Hasan on April 6, 2006 5:03 PM

Hi,
I am running m715 with 13bt desiel toyota engine with all stock gear and axels and power is all what u won't when off roading with or with load. My machine was an active part of earthquake relief effort and we took the machine to some limits e.g. 65 degree climbs(allayi). I never used my 1st gear in 4wd low.
Believe me a 13 bt is a perfect match for this machine with original drivetrain.
top spped at motorway is 110 km per hour which is all good for me(because u also have to stop this machine). If require more power go for 15bft toyota engine now getting avaliable. never go for six cylinders they are revers this baby requires tourque at real low rpm.
orginal tornado 6 cylinder produces 120horse power 210lb. torque at 3500rpm
13bt 120 horse power 210lb torque at 2800 rpm

Syed Mustafa Amjed on April 14, 2006 1:56 PM

Hi,

Great site. I am looking for a second hand Land Rover Defender or a Jeep in good condition, preferably with a Karachi number plate. Any one selling??

Thanks
My cell number is 0321 2395641.

KO on April 14, 2006 2:03 PM

Pleast post over at the forums.

Hanif Qureshi on April 16, 2006 12:45 PM

Salaam,

Great site, I own a Discovery 300TDI and a Defender 300TDI, hey not here in Pakistan, but in Africa.

I am looking for Injector nozzles for the TDI anyone out there who can guide me to the right place ? I am In Karachi

Thanks

Hanif

Khuram Mahmud on April 19, 2006 6:39 PM

Dear off-road pals,

I wish people in lahore would share the same passion for off-road as all of you have displayed here. While thoroughly going through this website i noticed that there aren't many good thoughts about UK assembeled land rovers. the author mentioned that they couldn't last here in Pakistan. I guess i can make his day by saying that there is one that he doesn't know about:
I own a 1963 Series II A, Land Rover. Not only on-road but off-road capabilities as well.

regards,
Khurram

AWAis on April 21, 2006 5:43 AM

aoa jeepers

khuram u live in lahore and u dont even know the passionate 4×4 clubs of lahore?go to landcruiser motors at lahore hotel they will inform u whenever a event is coming.yaar i once rode with them for some 4×4 fun and beleive me they go beyond the capabilties of the vehicals.they have designed many 4×4 tryout parks in lahore or just outside lahore which test all the nuts and bolts of the vehicals.

anyway folks i have a landcruiser 1986 five door for sale registered 1996 lahore # with B3 engine for only 500k.perfect for swaping the upper top with any cruiser top u like from 1986 to 1997.for further info plz contact via email

AH

AWAis on April 21, 2006 5:45 AM

awaisanwar007@hotmail.com

M. Awais on April 28, 2006 11:22 PM

AoA!

Check out the detail techs of VW-Touareg
http://www.ohiovw.com/files/touaregfiles/

There is also a good series of documents from 4xforum.co.za in choosing 4×4 etc..
http://www.4xforum.co.za/downloads/50001.pdf
http://www.4xforum.co.za/downloads/50002.pdf
.....till.....
http://www.4xforum.co.za/downloads/50013.pdf

Porsche Cayanne has a special off-road package which include Electronically disengage-able Anti-sway bars, for good Wheel articulation. Is there any aftermarket similar anti-sway bars for New Luxury SUVs(more type of an onroad SUV), so that you can get the best out of it both on/off-roads. Lexus has KDSS for its GX470 which is almost does similar functionality, is there a way of getting it on LC Prado 120.

AH

Aamir Basrai on May 29, 2006 12:05 PM

Dear Khalid,
I need help of pro's like u, for purchasing a Jeep!, as i have no experience at all!, i go to Hingol 3-4 times a year for fishing, but am dependent on freinds who have 4wd;'s, so want my own, & every week go to mubarak village & other fishing places, so basically want one for all my fishing needs, how about M38, with all the specs the one above has?...how much wud that cost?
Will be looking fwd to haring from you

Andrew Grebneff on June 4, 2006 6:39 PM

Saw your forum while Googling for 3C-Ts. Someone mentioned the Toyota 3C-T as a good engine. Don't you believe it... turbodiesels are notorious for cracking heads. My Estima just did this for the second time, and I have searched for other 3C-Ts here in New Zealand with no luck... ALL have cracked their heads. The problem is retained heat generated by the exhaust-driven supercharger... I'd say a turbodiesel withthe turbo stripped off and a Lysholm-type supercharger fitted instead would avoid the problem. An intercooler will not cure the turbo-heat problem, as it won't cool the inlet charge sufficiently.

Henry Dray on July 29, 2006 3:04 PM

I'm working on a film and need to hire 2 landcruisers (70's models) ... will pay well and return in same condition as found. Any repairs needed I will pay for them.

Baleegh Ur Rehman on August 14, 2006 2:08 AM

Any body interested in buying vehicles being auctioned by Pak Army must contact Central Ordnance Depot - COD - Rawalpindi, auctions are held after six months in the fiscal year. Any body interested in getting off road vehicle can contact Headquaters Frontier Corps (Quetta) - auctions are held thrice a year starting from Jan each year.

FahadAli on August 19, 2006 9:04 PM

Hi Khalid,
We went to Babusir Pass through Naran on 14-8-2006 we celebrated Independence day on Lalusir Lake,We also explore new lake known as Ghazi Sir Lake.I have some hot news for you.We have sawn an amazing Jeep that is Austin 1964 Model.Its a two dooe 110inch long frame.This amazing jeep looks like an old land rover from side & rear & looks like Cj7 from front.It has IKZ diesel engine,Diff ock system,Gas welding plant (built in),compressor for reparing puncture tyres,two spare wheels,seating capacity 12 including driver,Soft top,Double jerry canes,Cruise control,Manual 4000lbs winch,its dash board looks like a cockpet of an old aeroplane.It was auctioned by PAF in 2000 from Quetta.All the said systems are Mannual (Not electronic).The said amazing beauty belongs to MR.Altaf Lodhi (Abotabad) & he is a Big game hunter of Northern Areas.My Email adds of citibank is not acessable any more for unofficial use.As I have Yahoo mail Id & its very difficult to send big files from it.Is that possible that I can update the Pictures from my PC to Web site directly just like cut copy paste.I recently made two long tours (Swat,Kalam,Mahodand,Kundal lake) & now Naran,Saif-ul-Malook,Bata Kundi,Besal,Lalusir Lake,Ghazi Sir Lake,Babusir top,Chilas & all the way back.
We made Babusir pass tour on three Jeeps 1-Willys (M-38) 1942,2-Dihutsu Rocky Model 1987,3-Toyota Land Cruiser Model 1986.So I have lots of Pictures of four wheeling,Dangerous track of Babusir pass & beauty of Lalusir Lake.Tour Info & that amazing Jeep Pictures as well.
Looking fwd for your reply.
Your brother.
Fahad Ali
0300-5201391

fahadali on August 20, 2006 6:10 PM

sorry my message was stuck so it was posted three times by error.
waiting for way out to paste pictures.Plz reply on your earliest.
Regards,
Fahad

Bilal Ghori on August 23, 2006 7:07 PM

Hey,
I have become a big fan of this web site and love to browse through it. We have a Toyota Land Cruiser II but its a 5 door one. Me and my brother were seriously thinking of buying a Defender or a Willys or a CJ-7. Anyways i wanted to know if you guys could help me find a Willys or CJ-7 in good condition. Also tell me about the jeep rebuilders at Lyari.

fahad on August 24, 2006 2:55 AM

Khalid/Imad,
I have posted u the Pictures of that above mentioned Amazing Jeep Austin.I will apprciate if the said pics will be updated on the web site so other viewers can enjoy them as well.I am also sending you the pics of Latest tour of Babusir Pass.Plz update them as well.
Jeeper Once,Jeeper forever.
Regards,
Fahad

Sarmad on August 28, 2006 12:18 AM

No matter what anyone says. Land Rover has been tested to the limits to being the best 4×4 in the world, repeatidly. Ever wonder why CAMEL TROPHY only uses Land Rovers.
Variants of Land Rovers are Defender 90, Defender 110, Discovery, LR3 & the Freelander.
Range Rovers are the luxurious models.

Abid Omar on August 28, 2006 1:49 AM

Sarmad, the Camel Trophy is a Land Rover sponsored event, thus you only see Land Rovers theres. And that too only the LR Discovery.

But you may have noticed that in the recent decades Toyota Land Cruisers have replaced the LR's purpose.

fahad ali on September 8, 2006 4:31 PM

Guyz there will be grand jeep show in Isb.Hosted by Isb Jeep club.Rally will start at 11:00 am on sunday 10-9-2006 at Isb ZOO an will finish at Pir Sohawa (Margalla Hills).All jeepers are invited at lunch by Uncle Saleem Secatary Isb Jeep Club.After lunch there will be some hard core Four wheeling...........................so be there.
Regards,
Fahad

Imran on September 8, 2006 4:40 PM

Khalid Omar, Impatiently looking forward to your review of the Adam Boltoro. You have a wonderful site, keep up the good work! I have been driving 4 × 4s in the U.K. but I am now looking forward to serious off roading in Pakistan. Is the Mitsubishi L200 not selling in Pakistan?

DR AIJAZ SHAIKH on September 16, 2006 3:50 AM

salam sir your web site is really great, well i like jeeps ,but i dont have one . interested to purchase adams zabardast is it really perfect jeep?what is a cast?

Owais Nasir on October 6, 2006 8:05 AM

Good to know that there is a group of this sort in Karachi. I have a 4700cc Land Cruiser in Dubai & go to the dunes every Friday. Just wanted to know whether if it is possible to bring my 4X4 from Dubai to Karachi during my Summer vacation & take it back to Dubai when I return back from Pakistan?

My e-mail is owaisnasir@hotmail.com

Regards,
Owais Nasir (+971 50 7854150)

KO on October 6, 2006 3:00 PM

Good to know that there is a group of this sort in Karachi. I have a 4700cc Land Cruiser in Dubai & go to the dunes every Friday. Just wanted to know whether if it is possible to bring my 4X4 from Dubai to Karachi during my Summer vacation & take it back to Dubai when I return back from Pakistan?

Yes, it is - check with the local Pakistan embassy for details.

Josh on November 18, 2006 1:00 PM

Really enjoyed the write-ups and every ones responces. I have to stand up for the Pajero owners though. As a standard vehicle it is great on road and not so great off-road compared to solid axle trucks, but once given a bit of a going over they can perform brilliantly. We have owned Patrols, Series Landrovers with Holden 202's in them and Suzuki Jeeps. So having a Pajero was kind of nice to have an interior like a car (we have a 1995 SWB Pajero) and a really nice, stable on road ride. We have given it a 2" body lift, 2" suspension lift using TJM Springs and Rancho RS 9000s with the in-cab unit. Have done the front ball joint flip to increase wheel travel and put on a set of 33" Maxxis Mudzillas (rather aggressive), also removed front and rear sway-bars. Added some front and side armour to keep from severe damages of the sills. With having a 3.5 litre V6 on a SWB, the power to weight ratio is brilliant and has the power to turn the 33's no trouble at all. We have been out on tracks with many types of vehicles both modified and un-modified and can say that the Pajero has never let us down. The areas in which we have had to be snatched also claimed the lives of Modified Patrols (V8's and 35" tyres), we have been over and every where a Patrol, Toyota or Landy has been without any trouble.

In standard fit they are average to poor offroad, YES. But do a little work to them and they can perform just as good as a prupose built tank. The IFS does restrict the front especially in axle twisters, but a front locker fixes that no worries. I know you can't beat 2 solid axles, 4 wheels on the ground is better than 3, but as a Pajero owner/driver you learn to DRIVE the truck, not let the truck go where you THINK it might go.

As previous stated, I have owned many a 4WD and reckon after the work I have done on the Paj and the way it is and goes now, (beaten many modified club trucks in the mud and on hills) would not go to another truck. Forget the deseil Patrol TD42, Gutless and toooo heavy, same with Toyotas.

Go the Pajero!!!!!!! I give it a 10/10 (with a few mods, power to weight).

Asif Ahmed Siddiqui on November 22, 2006 5:05 PM

Dear Mr. Khalid Omar
I have been associate with the oil exploration industry, BP Pakistan had Import Defender in 20 No. in late 90"s. These Land rovers served 5 to 6 years and no more in use, they are ready to auction and stocked in Khaskheli oil field (some 15 km from Golarchi due to low profile appearance these classic vehicle are not very much appreciated. All of them are good physical condition accept some of these which are cannibalize to serve others. If you are interested you can find it out from H.O of BP Pakistan at Bharia Complex

Asif

mustafa on November 22, 2006 5:32 PM

I have been looking for a Defender. Can you give me a price idea?
Regards
Mustafa

Asif Ahmed Siddiqui on November 23, 2006 4:31 PM

I dont have any idea regarding the price, but I had picked up a 4×4 Hilux model 1993 in 2000 with no major repair what I had to replace all tyres, all types of belts (timing and fan etc. a little niptuk with the diffrential and I had won that pickup in Rs 360,000.00. these cars are documently depleted but carriying enough juice for us.

Asif Ahmed Siddiqui on November 23, 2006 4:34 PM

one more thing these vehicles are equiped with US made roll bar and Igloo Coolers

Ritesh Magar on December 12, 2006 11:43 PM

Hi,
The one thing i would say about 4×4 offroaders club Karachi is just awesome.I am from India,i own a CJ7 1975 model. Can you help in getting a few
spares.I am restoring my Jeep.

Regards,
Ritesh Magar

Shoaib on January 9, 2007 4:20 PM

Hi everybody I just new to this forum. Planing to buy Toyota Harrier 4 WD 1999 model, Guide me please

Nouman on January 18, 2007 1:19 AM

what abt mini peajro?

fuma on March 4, 2007 10:04 AM

Hello to all off roaders!
I'm planning to buy a Toyota Landcruiser model:1984.
Can anyone guide me to this?

Asad Aijaz on March 12, 2007 11:16 PM

Well for the jimny i can say its good for offroading and good for highways too the car reaches 140 with no trouble at all and u can get the best out of it while offroading. I read somewhere that its the best in Mini SUV and after that comes Dihatsu Terrios. Well its also available in 1.5 Disel engine hope that we can get that in Pakistan. Below are some pics:
http://www.jimny.se/pictures.html
www.jimny.se
http://bbs.zuwharrie.com/content/topic,51943.msg554033.html#msg554033
http://www.4wd1.com/suzuki_jimny.htm
http://www.4×4world.co.uk/206-suzuki-monsta-jimny-4×4-world

asghar khan on March 15, 2007 3:13 AM

hi all

wonder why there is no mention of the mercedes GD jeeps on this site. i have owned and driven one in the north and north-western parts of the country for many years now and find it an excellent machine.....comfortable and powerful. I would like to communicate with GD lovers/owners and exchange info on maintenance and parts availibility. Mine is a 1981 model, three door vehicle. Old is gold....especially if offroading is the main purpose.....no heartburn and lots of fun.

Kaleem on April 7, 2007 4:11 PM

Hi,

I am looking to purchase Land Cruiser Prado Jeep,may be two three years back model. I would like to know to prices also.Please contact with me if anyone is interested to sell his/her jeep.
Thanks.

Prof.Kaleem Dean.

Aamir Hameed on April 11, 2007 11:21 AM

Our Company interested to purchaase 4×4 double cabin pickups model 2004 & 2005. Please provide us prices and all terms and conditions.

Babar on April 23, 2007 9:40 PM

I am interested in buying RAV4 model 2004. Please advise me if this is a car worth buying for onroad driving. What is the situation with spare parts. I shall be grateful for your sincere advice.rgds Babar

irshad lodhi on May 6, 2007 12:15 AM

asslam o alekum i have AUSTINGYPSY 4×4 with full off road access i test in off road i found very good in snow mud etc

pali khan on July 20, 2007 9:53 PM

i have a landcruiser 1993 , 4200cc turbo diesel , ps , pw , pm , sunroof , fridge , cdetc , want to sell it , any1 interested ?

AWAIS on July 22, 2007 5:43 AM

hi everyone,
i have a 1986 toyota landcruiser bj60 and i want to put landcruiser bj80 series(1990 or above) body on its frame but dont know where such conversion took place.i know guyz in peshawar and quetta do this kind of conversion but i need some reliable source recomended by u guyz,so if any of u blokes know anybody who can do these kind of converion in good price plz drop an email at msnver@hotmail.com with their contact numbers or addresses i will be very thankfull.
by the way i m in lahore.
Thanx in advance
AH

sajidd on July 24, 2007 12:46 AM

Pli Khan, are you in Karachi?

zameer on August 1, 2007 7:12 PM

hello i jus came here to buy a jeep not to post a comment plz if u people search for a jeep for me and it should be a little bit n a good condition

mahmood asad khan on October 4, 2007 11:20 PM

I want to know about the complete manufacturing features of range rover vehicles and their prices. please tell me can we have these jeeps on instalments

valium 10 poem on October 5, 2007 7:11 PM

Hi all!

like your logo. It very impressive, many thanks. Good resources here. Thanks!

Hussain Zaidi on October 10, 2007 11:24 AM

It was great to find so much information on 4X4 vehicles. I wished to clarify a point on Suzuki Jinmys. Although Pakistan Suzuki is importing Suzuki Jimny and claims to have all the parts avaiable but when one needs them these are not there. I had a Jimny 1999, similar in shape to the new imported ones but it was not impossible to get its spare parts from Suzuki as they did not have anything in stock. I waited for almost one year and finally disposed off the vehicle.
I am still interested in getting a 1.3 Manual Jimny, these vehicles are very expansive in Lahore, I would appreciate if some one can guide me on the correct price of 2006 Suzuki Jimny 1.3 manual in excellent condition.

Also there are a few wranglers available in the market these days. Please post a few guiding tips on these vehicles as well. Specially their off road capacity.

Regards,

Hussain

KO on October 11, 2007 9:52 PM

Hassan, once I drive a Jimny offroad will add it the listing.

I don't know much about the Jeep wranglers available in the market either, except for the fact that they are good offroaders (and gas guzzlers!)

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